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		<title>Comment on Vacant Land Market Update by Susan Kishner</title>
		<link>http://www.investinginvacantland.com/2008/11/17/vacant-land-market-update/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Kishner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally decided to write a comment on your blog.  I just wanted to say good job.  I really enjoy reading your posts.</description>
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		<title>Comment on New Bridge to Nowhere by Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.investinginvacantland.com/2008/11/14/new-bridge-to-nowhere/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been looking on the Google Trends site, jennifer granholm is a hot subject at the moment!</description>
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		<title>Comment on In Praise of Selfishness by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benn,

"To trade away that freedom for the illusion of security is a very bad exchange."  That was my closing sentence intended to summarize the points made earlier.

Is this "a very tough generality to defend"?  I don't think so.  The opposing point of view would be that freedom SHOULD be traded away for the illusion of security.  Apparently I have not convinced you of the "illusion" part.

Yes, I believe the government actions I refer to provide only the illusion of security.  Efforts to control the economy by propping up failing businesses, so they may continue operating and employing people (voters), may seem to be a godsend to those directly affected, but even that is only temporary.  However, the effect of the failing businesses has not been eliminated; merely spread out over the economy as a whole.  Eventually, many other business managers no longer believe serving the customer is the key to success.  Being needy enough to qualify for a government bailout starts to interfere with customer service.  (Have you flown on a commercial airline lately?)

When government interferes with the workings of a free market, for example by taking from the producers of wealth and transferring to the less productive, there are consequences to the economy as a whole.  The receipt of those transfer payments may seem free; may seem to provide security against poverty; but I maintain that the net cost to the economy is greater than the benefit provided.  Entrepreneurial activity and productivity have been discouraged through taxation and bureaucratic red tape.  GDP and the quality of life in "a free society" suffer.

Government takes and gives, but keeps a bug chunk of what it takes before it gives.

And, incidentally, I include unemployment benefits in the above.  If one needed unemployment insurance, it could be provided much more efficiently by the private sector, and without adding costs and burdensome reporting requirements to employers.  If you value the benefit, pay for it.  If you don't value the benefit enough to pay for it, why should the rest of us pay for it?  If the benefit is "free", you will not value it.  If everything is free, who will produce it?

The "security" benefits offered by governments could be provided much more effectively by the private sector, if they are needed at all.  And, that includes charity.

I believe those government functions not enumerated in the Constitution are destructive and should be abolished.  They do not provide true economic security - that is illusory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benn,</p>
<p>&#8220;To trade away that freedom for the illusion of security is a very bad exchange.&#8221;  That was my closing sentence intended to summarize the points made earlier.</p>
<p>Is this &#8220;a very tough generality to defend&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t think so.  The opposing point of view would be that freedom SHOULD be traded away for the illusion of security.  Apparently I have not convinced you of the &#8220;illusion&#8221; part.</p>
<p>Yes, I believe the government actions I refer to provide only the illusion of security.  Efforts to control the economy by propping up failing businesses, so they may continue operating and employing people (voters), may seem to be a godsend to those directly affected, but even that is only temporary.  However, the effect of the failing businesses has not been eliminated; merely spread out over the economy as a whole.  Eventually, many other business managers no longer believe serving the customer is the key to success.  Being needy enough to qualify for a government bailout starts to interfere with customer service.  (Have you flown on a commercial airline lately?)</p>
<p>When government interferes with the workings of a free market, for example by taking from the producers of wealth and transferring to the less productive, there are consequences to the economy as a whole.  The receipt of those transfer payments may seem free; may seem to provide security against poverty; but I maintain that the net cost to the economy is greater than the benefit provided.  Entrepreneurial activity and productivity have been discouraged through taxation and bureaucratic red tape.  GDP and the quality of life in &#8220;a free society&#8221; suffer.</p>
<p>Government takes and gives, but keeps a bug chunk of what it takes before it gives.</p>
<p>And, incidentally, I include unemployment benefits in the above.  If one needed unemployment insurance, it could be provided much more efficiently by the private sector, and without adding costs and burdensome reporting requirements to employers.  If you value the benefit, pay for it.  If you don&#8217;t value the benefit enough to pay for it, why should the rest of us pay for it?  If the benefit is &#8220;free&#8221;, you will not value it.  If everything is free, who will produce it?</p>
<p>The &#8220;security&#8221; benefits offered by governments could be provided much more effectively by the private sector, if they are needed at all.  And, that includes charity.</p>
<p>I believe those government functions not enumerated in the Constitution are destructive and should be abolished.  They do not provide true economic security - that is illusory.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Praise of Selfishness by Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To hear the liberal press talk, we are on the "right" track. How could anyone in their right mind think that a politician from Chicago would be upright in any area of endeavor. So do we get out our brown shirts and boots? How do we survive the next four interminably long years. How do we get our country back, short of moving? Are you going to be commenting on the "state of the union" on a regular basis, that is of course, before the Fairness Doctrine is indoctrinated. Looking forward to your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To hear the liberal press talk, we are on the &#8220;right&#8221; track. How could anyone in their right mind think that a politician from Chicago would be upright in any area of endeavor. So do we get out our brown shirts and boots? How do we survive the next four interminably long years. How do we get our country back, short of moving? Are you going to be commenting on the &#8220;state of the union&#8221; on a regular basis, that is of course, before the Fairness Doctrine is indoctrinated. Looking forward to your comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Praise of Selfishness by Benn Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benn Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Selfishness is one of my favorite myths.  Everyone is equally and completely selfish.  The difference is the extent to which individuals extract personal pleasure from benefiting others.  "Selflessness" is no more than a high personal valuation of others' happiness.  Or, maybe in more cases, the high personal penalty paid by causing others harm (guilt - much more powerful).

With that said, I don't think you were truly fair in your representation of your fears.  For example, the sentence "To trade away that freedom for the illusion of security is a very bad exchange."  This is a very tough generality to defend.

Now before we can consider the sentence we have to deal with a roadblock which is the word "illusion."  Of course it seems silly to trade something as valuable as freedom for anything which is an illusion.  So anyone would agree that it's a bad deal to trade your freedoms for the illusion of world peace.  So this stance lives or dies on whether the socialist programs you have in mind do only provide illusory security which is not so easy to write off.  For example, many have benefited from the concrete security offered to them (and myself) by unemployment insurance.

So leaving behind the idea of actual traded for illusion, the real crux is either that freedom should not be traded for security or - much weaker - that some specific program is not a good deal for us (if this is your point, you should dismiss with the generalities and talk specifics as this is an isolated gripe).  I am fairly certain that you intended the first.  But this is not a fair presentations of your beliefs since I very much doubt that you are in support of eliminating social services funded by taxation like transportation infrastructure, defense spending, the prison system, etc...

*The following is a guess and I apologize if I am way off the mark* I would guess that you are particularly miffed by the current rash of bail-outs plaguing this nation.

Building on my above assumption, as a proud Libertarian I agree with you in principle; however, I think that our case would be better served if we kept our arguments in the realm of the concrete, and if we keep our statements transparent and precise.  The real world is never black and white, and whenever we pretend that it is, we turn listeners off.  So instead of "never trade freedom for security" we might write "some social programs are indispensable and should always remain and continue to be bolstered - like education - but we need to realize that freedom is our most precious asset and should not be traded idly."

Overall though, thank you for your article.  It's wonderful to read that there are still those who believe in the merits of freedom, risk, and responsibility.

PS.  Thinking about your article has inspired me to write my own thoughts on socialism in the United States.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selfishness is one of my favorite myths.  Everyone is equally and completely selfish.  The difference is the extent to which individuals extract personal pleasure from benefiting others.  &#8220;Selflessness&#8221; is no more than a high personal valuation of others&#8217; happiness.  Or, maybe in more cases, the high personal penalty paid by causing others harm (guilt - much more powerful).</p>
<p>With that said, I don&#8217;t think you were truly fair in your representation of your fears.  For example, the sentence &#8220;To trade away that freedom for the illusion of security is a very bad exchange.&#8221;  This is a very tough generality to defend.</p>
<p>Now before we can consider the sentence we have to deal with a roadblock which is the word &#8220;illusion.&#8221;  Of course it seems silly to trade something as valuable as freedom for anything which is an illusion.  So anyone would agree that it&#8217;s a bad deal to trade your freedoms for the illusion of world peace.  So this stance lives or dies on whether the socialist programs you have in mind do only provide illusory security which is not so easy to write off.  For example, many have benefited from the concrete security offered to them (and myself) by unemployment insurance.</p>
<p>So leaving behind the idea of actual traded for illusion, the real crux is either that freedom should not be traded for security or - much weaker - that some specific program is not a good deal for us (if this is your point, you should dismiss with the generalities and talk specifics as this is an isolated gripe).  I am fairly certain that you intended the first.  But this is not a fair presentations of your beliefs since I very much doubt that you are in support of eliminating social services funded by taxation like transportation infrastructure, defense spending, the prison system, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>*The following is a guess and I apologize if I am way off the mark* I would guess that you are particularly miffed by the current rash of bail-outs plaguing this nation.</p>
<p>Building on my above assumption, as a proud Libertarian I agree with you in principle; however, I think that our case would be better served if we kept our arguments in the realm of the concrete, and if we keep our statements transparent and precise.  The real world is never black and white, and whenever we pretend that it is, we turn listeners off.  So instead of &#8220;never trade freedom for security&#8221; we might write &#8220;some social programs are indispensable and should always remain and continue to be bolstered - like education - but we need to realize that freedom is our most precious asset and should not be traded idly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Overall though, thank you for your article.  It&#8217;s wonderful to read that there are still those who believe in the merits of freedom, risk, and responsibility.</p>
<p>PS.  Thinking about your article has inspired me to write my own thoughts on socialism in the United States.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Praise of Selfishness by Tom Humes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Humes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Site layout for your blog. I am looking forward to reading more from you.

Tom Humes</description>
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<p>Tom Humes</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mikey&#8217;s Mistep by Renee Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such sarcasm! hee hee</description>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to the Fail-safe economy by Stacey Derbinshire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey Derbinshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I will read your posts frequently. Added you to the RSS reader.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Insanity by Allen Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice writing.  You are on my RSS reader now so I can read more from you down the road.

Allen Taylor</description>
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